For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. He messed up with 2 points though. The terms are: BoG(Battle of Gods), ResF(Resurrection F), GE (God Essence), SPC (Super Perfect Cell). Indeed, I agree with this assessment. However, in regards to who would win in a straight fight, I believe SPC would actually end up winning. Perfect Cell or Ultimate Gohan vs. Super Buu? Goku later convinced him that he wasn't really down to 50% and only thought he was, which made SSJ2 Gohan put his full power (what he was using when he was beating … Not much though or he wouldn't have held up as well in the beam struggle. As for Cell's composure and personality, I do agree that Cell most certainly wanted to break Gohan's spirit, as was his cruel nature. Goku possibly not comparing Dabura to a specific power level of Cell. JavaScript is disabled. I have a feeling this is gonna turn into another Cell vs Dabura war, but that's not my intention. A good point. The killing blow, so to speak, wasn't so much that it made finishing Cell child's play but was enough to tip the balance and obliterate him completely. Now we'll look at Gohan at half health. When Cell came back stronger, he also came back at 100% energy/stamina. That's very well thought out. SSG Goku BoG_____62,972_____188,915,094,340, SSG Goku BoG+_____108,255_____324,764,150,943, SSG Goku BoG S+_____4,545,991_____13,637,971,698,113, SSG Goku BoG x24_____1,104,481_____3,313,443,396,226, SSG Goku BoG x96_____4,364,858_____13,094,575,471,698, SSG Goku BoG SPC_____62,893_____188,679,245,283, SSG Goku BoG SPC+_____108,176_____324,528,301,887, SSG Goku BoG SPC S+_____4,545,912_____13,637,735,849,057, SSG Goku BoG SPC x24_____1,104,403_____3,313,207,547,170, SSG Goku BoG SPC x96_____4,364,780_____13,094,339,622,642, SSB Goku ResF Low_____7,930,869,527_____23,792,608,579,565,700, SSB Goku ResF+ Low_____23,438,167,497_____70,314,502,491,990,000, SSB Goku ResF S+ Low_____41,332,060,453,008_____123,996,181,359,025,000,000, SSB Goku ResF x24 Low_____2,439,757,142,221_____7,319,271,426,664,300,000, SSB Goku ResF x96 Low_____38,103,979,285,333_____114,311,937,855,999,000,000, SSB Goku ResF SPC Low_____7,911,079,467_____23,733,238,400,379,700, SSB Goku ResF SPC+ Low_____23,404,137,495_____70,212,412,483,683,400, SSB Goku ResF SPC S+ Low_____41,330,630,908,588_____123,991,892,725,762,000,000, SSB Goku ResF SPC x24 Low_____2,439,409,833,472_____7,318,229,500,415,330,000, SSB Goku ResF SPC x96 Low_____38,102,606,700,684_____114,307,820,102,053,000,000. He was losing to Cell, until Vegeta hit him while in a very vulnerable position. Assuming there's no significant increase in Goku's base form until Super, we use this as the base. In any case, hopefully you'll enjoy it. Or does he loose after 7 years of peace? I always believed Dabura's power was somewhat close to Super Perfect Cell, but not as strong. Cell also displayed a ssj1 aura earlier in the show as well. Ssj2 is an 100x boost so simple math would put cell above Gohan plus the zenkai he got from blowing himself up. The only Zenkai increase we have seen that would rival SPC's apparent Zenkai increase would be Goku's after the fight with Ginyu. Welcome to the forums! Previously we saw a 2x power multiplier when Gohan raged and unlocked his temporary boost. And yes, I love the connection to the auras. SSJ2 Kid Gohan: 120 Super Perfect Cell: 100 SSJ2 Pre-Majin Vegeta: 100 SSJ2 Teen Gohan: 78 SSJ Goku: 62.5 FP Perfect Cell: 50 SSJ Pre-Majin Vegeta: 50 Dabura: 45 SSJ Kid Gohan: 40 SSJ Teen Gohan: 39 Reason I put Gohan's final rage boost so high is because he managed to Kill SPC after Battle Damage reduced his Power by 50% and with only 1 hand. So while he was likely not using his full power at first, I think he was by the end given how stressed out the battle became. What are your thoughts on this fight? I've watched this a ton, and Gohan's power was basically divided in two, since he could only use one arm, and he still managed to win (albeit with a BIT of help). I understand your point, but the way i see it - Gohan wasn't in his best position to defend Vegeta (thus more vulnerable). SSJ2 Teen Gohan vs Super Perfect Cell; User Info: Vegeta1000. The Z-fighters have always been incredibly accurate about their gauges of energy levels. Join Community. While Gohan most likely has the edge in power, this alone does not guarantee his victory. And good point on the Death Beam, it didn't focus Goku in the slightest when he tanked it in their fight. Cell had both his arms and couldn't overwhelm Gohan right away and the got obliterated. If you'd like to see more, I actually have a video detailing the entire process for determining how strong Super Saiyan God is, it's probably easier then me just typing it all out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c15778Vv0Bg. The NEW base form for Goku was even with Frieza's new Final Form. Gohan became much weaker as stated officially in the manga. I won't go into the details, but ultimately this is why I need to know where Super Perfect Cell falls. Can Gohan still defeat Cell? He was beating him easily. This is the kind of stuff I analyze all the time and have a huge list. Goku increased by several million PL during that Zenkai. Gohan may have had the power to destroy him, but was he truly stronger? We haven't got many other instances(if any) of characters getting hit while in a very vulnerable position. SSJ2 Gohan is about 2–3 times stronger than SSJ Goku at the time. He must win in a direct battle. Though I think arrogance also played a role. Goku believes he is holding back so as to not destroy the planet, as well. Before, Cell stood no chance obviously. While Gohan just intercepted a blast that would have killed Vegeta. You and Mike Tyson are in the same league by DBZ standards. All in all, Mystic Gohan is atleast 40 times stronger than Cell Games Gohan So we know Gohan at full health was holding back to protect the planet. I DON'T OWN ANY OF THIS CONTENT. I would cautiously suggest Cell's win here. SSJ2 Teen Gohan vs Super Perfect Cell Dragon Ball - General This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. Half power Gohan was absolutely nothing to a Cell who wasn't even serious. He EFFORTLESSLY beat perfect cell, and while it might have been closer, I still think Gohan takes it pretty damn handily, which, IMO, is why Toriyama had to use that plot device to get rid of one of Gohans arms, another stomp would have been boring as fuck. A yellow aura means SSJ and lightning Sparks mean SSJ2. We saw him holding ground at what looked like full exertion against SPC who was genuinely putting in full effort. + refers to Goten plus Trunks. Gohan, fully healed and with both arms still stomps Super Perfect Cell imo, the gap is just too big imo. I mainly use the xBase Form unit as it makes things easier to track, but determining power level from them is easy enough so I track those too. If Gohan was only ASSUMING he was at half strength and simply had to bring out his true power, this makes him more even with Cell. Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks was 8 times stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku. Gohan mops the floor with Cell. PFM18 , Apr 24, 2019 First is that Gohan couldn't unlock that bonus boost at will. Super Perfect Cell has an electrical aura, much like the one Super Saiyan 2's have. Gohan Super Saiyan 2 VS Cell. The only thing I wonder is if Gohan was actually at half power considering how much power Goku was able to coach out of him, but you make a solid point. Consider the following scenario: Gohan has just taken a senzu bean to restore all of his stamina, but Cell has returned in his Super Perfect form. 31.34% (21 votes) 21. Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan vs. Super Perfect Cell (True Match-Up) Serious So I'm researching and calculating the exact power levels (and feats) of every Dragon Ball Z character but a particularly critical match-up has become a very difficult one to answer. Super Perfect Cell. The categories are mostly separated based on alternate calculations using the 5 ways to calculate Gotenks I mentioned above: Blank means equal to SS3, the bare minimum. Gohan is still quite a bit stronger than Super Perfect Cell. This is Gohan from the Cell … Let's also consider that Gohan has this untapped amount of power that he's always never been able to use at will. If he had been fighting with that level of strength from the beginning and wasn't held back at all, I think it was very possible that Gohan could have won a true fight. No, Vegeta stated that his Ki wasn't as strong as when he faced Cell. Since he was at half strength was it so much that it put him over his power level at full health? Any additions or things I missed? I'm going to go against the grain and say...I really don't think so. 1 - Gohan thinks he knows how powerful he is and I'd say that's pretty reliable but does not account for the 'boost' since he doesn't seem to really have a lot of belief in his ability to unlocks it. Hell, the fact that he even held Cell out for that long, shows that half of Gohan's strength was almost as much as Cell going all out. As Tagoma was compared to Ultimate Gohan, we then must determine his strength via Buuiccolo, the strongest fighter Gohan was definitely stronger than. So, Equal to Low End: x24 (x9,600) Using Dragonball GT Guide High End: x96 (x38,400), Regardless of which ones you use, you create a range for the potential of Gotenks. How much does Gohan's 'boost' actually give him? Then his friends got blown away, he was the last stand of protecting the Earth, and Goku was yelling at him that he NEEDED to get that power out. Time Stamps below to skip in game fights. There are no other senzu beans and Gohan has no fatigue or injuries. Was he holding back? I enjoy the challenge though. 546 Anime Fans. All of the rights and content belong to Funimation,Toei Animation, Fuji TV, Arkira Toriyama, and ABGroup. Vegeta’s blast only distracted Cell enough for Gohan to gain his confidence and get some momentum going. No other aura in dbz has lightning besides ssj2 and ssj3. Was Gohan truly at a lower level of power thanks to this injury? I don't believe there is an additional boost beyond that. This boost is what pushed him to his new level, in this case Super Perfect Cell. Gohan beat him when he was already injured. I personally favor Gohan as having more power than Cell given all of Goku's statements seeming to favor that as well as Gohan lamenting that he wanted to tear Cell to pieces. Edit: On another note, I'd love to see your notes on PLs throughout the series up until this point. SSJ2 Gohan is fast but prone to standing around letting Cell act. SSJ2 Gohan DID use his full power against Cell. This suggest Super Perfect Cell certainly had the power to injure him. Cell could easily IT somewhere else quickly and destroy the planet, killing Gohan. Full health Gohan, injured half health Gohan, and injured half health Gohan + "boost"...that's just what I've always called it in any of the cases where Goku or some other action forces Gohan to go above his own perceived power. I also believe that while the attack meant to kill Vegeta LOOKED casual, it was a very devastating blow. Been a while since I've watched/read that arc but reading through a lot of the replies - I have to agree that SSJ2 Gohan was more powerful than Super Perfect Cell. Gohan would have to finish Cell off quickly before fatigue sets in to have a chance. Dragon ball tends to hint at ability through aura alot and an aura's details can tell alot about a character or a form. Alrighty - we've made some assumptions and it's time to go to the conclusion they lead to. My reasoning would probably be because of their auras. And I'm not 100% sure Cell would have put up a fight if half of Gohan's power wasn't missing along with his arm. To put things into perspective, I'll only give a short list for Goku's power levels and a snapshot of how I got them. The fact his arm got injured just made Gohan think he was down to half of his power due to his special confidence problems. And everything with SPC assumes that Piccolo is slightly weaker. The fact that Gohan was 50% and managed to hold his own and eventually overpower Cell with his full power makes me think a fully powered Gohan would have beaten Cell comfortably. ©BIRD STUDIO/SHUEISHA, TOEI ANIMATION. I think he wished to break Gohan's spirit by beating him while not at full strength, in my opinion cell was probably going >50 but <75 when Gohan put the last of his energy into a Kamehameha. Ssj2 goku plus seven years of training(we all know how hard goku trains) would be a stomp. Remember, Cell has Saiyan DNA which allows him to go SSJ. These are easy enough to find and calculate. Mar 21, 2011 #1 Location: Cell games arena after it got blown up Mindset:Bloodlusted Restrictions: Cell can't blow himself up. VKH – SSJ2 Gohan vs Perfect Cell $ 339.00. We never saw Gohan's full power at this time so we don't have a good gauge but this does tell us a couple things. It's not a fight but it is a story. I refuse to believe Half-power Gohan>Super Perfect Cell, especially when Cell was able to damage Gohan as much as he did when Gohan was at FP, and SSJ2 is supposed to be only a 2x multiplier itself. We know him going all out would not have endangered the planet since we've seen much higher power levels fighting on Earth but that's not really worth discussion here. If Gohan was truly at half strength when doing the beam struggle, this would suggest in a fair fight he'd have no trouble. Gohan was able to hold in a beam struggle with Cell with one arm for a long time. This is certainly possible. Keeping in mind the feat of 'lack of fatigue' Cell has - that does make it difficult to tell his effort level but I feel like it is safe to assume at that point he was genuinely wanting to kill Gohan and was putting in as much effort as it would take...which wasn't enough as we know. If it was more than half his original power again and that's what it took to beat SPC - we can predict that full health Gohan may not have a chance against SPC without others around to push him into unlock-mode. If … So we really need to know how much the boost was. Gohan raged with Goku's help and boosted to defeat SPC - I feel like it is reasonable to assume a 2x power boost from his current power level which was probably lower than half as he was injured as well as fatigued since when he claimed to be at about half his total power. Goku was able to bring out more power out of Gohan because he was holding back, either because he was trying to protect the planet or because he was not enraged. With both arms, Gohan is way stronger than Cell. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Once he realized even his new power was not enough, he'd IT to somewhere else on the planet and blow it up. IMO Yes. A necessary plot device to make the fight interesting as otherwise it would be a one-sided affair. Full Power SS1 Gohan - 10. Then when Raditz was about to finish off Goku and Piccolo was injured, similar scenario as to the last moments of SPC, Radditz read off rage-Gohan's power level as 1370 and climbing. ac_98521 Personally, I believe that an SS2 Goku would beat Perfect Cell after a good fight, but he would lose to Super Perfect Cell. Goku vs Cell had alot more going on and was honestly less one-sided atleast compared to SSJ2 Gohan vs Perfect Cell. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c15778Vv0Bg. I just don't think he would have the fortitude to do that and with nothing else pushing him he never would. The list is HUGE and there's a lot of terminology, so I will only give a short snippet of what I have, just everything going up to the battle with Golden Frieza. Gohan was injured prior to their match-up after trying to save Vegeta. Putting into sheer power alone, Gohan would have to be significantly stronger in order to make it an easy fight, but given how close the battle was when he was injured, the gap is certainly far closer than we think. I also am a firm believer of teen gohan=kid gohan minus the rage boost I have dabura and cell as equals or in the same tier. Similar to Frieza's laser beam, this puts doubt that this attack was in fact a casual blast. Ssj2 Gohan vs Ultra Perfect Cell Thread starter Thdyingbreed; Start date Mar 21, 2011; Thdyingbreed Well-Known Member. This shows that at the very least, he was in the same ball-park as Gohan's strength. He was at 50% when he overpowered Cell. It was only because of SPC's arrogance that he put himself into a position where he could be entirely destroyed. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the whowouldwin community. What evidence do you have that it should have been even easier? Goku vs Cell isn't really telling us anything. Anything would certainly help. I'm constantly trying to improve this list, looking for more accurate ways to determine the ranges. Gohan was losing the beam struggle tho, and Cell was still holding back his own power. Was it only possible because Vegeta distracted him? You are indeed where you belong. Gohan is still quite a bit stronger than Super Perfect Cell. With DBZ power levels liking even multipliers for the most part, let's call it a 2x boost. Although I think the zenkai you mentioned is what pushed Cell to the SS2 limit, not that he attained SS2 and then managed to get an additional zenkai. Considering all of this, the true and honest match-up shall begin! He boasts his perfection even after noticing that others rival him. Super Saiyan 3 Goku was 4 times that. This makes the most sense to me, since something like this would explain how a Full Power Perfect Cell(12) would get wrecked by SS2 Gohan(20). Doesn't mean they are in the same league. After gaining a huge boost, returning from the dead and injuring Gohan, Cell's confidence must have been at an all time high. This poll is now closed. In the anime this is explored further of course, but in the manga it's far too short to know for sure. Take a second to look at our. S+ refers to SS Goten + SS Trunks. ss2 teen gohan is a good deal stronger than ss2 adult gohan of the buu arc. The scouter read Gohan with a 710 power level. Boy, Super must give you an aneurysm then. You are using an out of date browser. There are 5 possible avenues for Gotenks strength: Equal to Super Saiyan 3: x400 Equal to Goten Plus Trunks Base Form: x2 (x800 in SS3) Equal to SS Goten Plus SS Trunks: x100 (x40,000 in SS3) Using Dragonball GT Guide on Gogeta, Fusion Dance is dozens of times stronger. The attack that was used to kill Vegeta but was intercepted by Gohan looked casual but was enough to injured Gohan severely. But either way, yes, Gohan was certainly underestimating that blast and paid the price for it. This would suggest Cell is at an even 100 with no additional boosts. Gohan also seemed to be a bit fatigued giving the edge to dabura and thus cell. Come join our discussions, post your own battles and kick some ass! The attack Cell used was definitely not a particularly powerful one. Mystic Gohan was about 50% stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks. So in a fight it might tip in his favor given all the possibilities of victory. If Cell was almost equal he should have overpowered Gohan in an instant. 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